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worked for scott brown may have come back for a guy that got him cheap oil. >> right. >> they've got a war with expensive oil prices. >> he's made notes about regret about not running. >> he said so. >> as you go towards 2012, there's going to be a lot of interest in massachusetts. >> don't you think that the democrats are going to say, this can't be easy. you better run the best guy you've got? >> you can imagine the kind of conversations inside the family, the ted kennedy's lifetime dream derailed by massachusetts after -- >> health care. >> -- after kennedy would put the hat in the ring. >> it seems like it's a smart thing to do to say, joe kennedy getting the next two years ready for scott brown and take the family. your thoughts? >> we'll be doing monday morning quarterbacking. if mike wanted to be -- the
martha coakley was -- i think it would have been close. but he's got the scales to hold on to them. >> he's tougher. >> he would have known kurt schilling. >> remember, valentine's day is sunday. pick up those cards, candy, and flowers and keep somebody happy. join us monday night at 5:00 p.m. eastern with more "hardball." right now it's "the ed show" with ed schultz. good evening and welcome to "the ed show." coming up this hour, all the focus on the february 25th televised health care summit has been on the republicans but there's some real danger in it for democrats. more on that in just a moment. a former bush speechwriter has a new book out called "how obama is inviting the next terror attack." i'll ask if ignoring a 2001 memo
qualifies as bush inviting an attack. plus, the winter olympics starts tonight on nbc. willy gieist joins us live from vancouver. coming up. are they afraid to debate the issue with president obama on real tv? the real question is, how does this help the democrats? the burden of expectation is on them. all the republicans have to do is show up. it's kind of like the vice presidential debate between joe biden and sarah palin. she didn't have to beat biden. she just couldn't fall down. the democrats are the party in power that started this health care reform process. it's on them to finish it. we don't have a democratic health care bill now.
we have two democratic health bills. president obama has promised to have those bills combined into one democratic bill so you can use that bill as a starting point on february 25th. but if that bill uses the income tax increase in the house bill, some democratic senators will disown it immediately. and if it includes the senate tax on union health care plan, some democratic house members will run away from it. there's no consensus among the democrats about the policy. that's not going to change in two weeks. what do you think the chances are that on february 25th you'll see a show of democratic unity. standing with their president behind one bill that they all support. more likely it will be another
exhibition of the sausage making process that has so you we arur country. and standing united on small bore ideas like medical malpractice reform, which is 1% of medical spending in this country and then just rip apart the taxes. the taxes in the democratic bill. i don't want to bet on who will win that debate with swing voters. by the way, why isn't this meeting happening on monday? why didn't it happen this week? what happens to the fierce urgency of now in legislating health care reform. the foot dragging the democrats are doing now is what you do in the congress when you want to kill your own bill. you can't go back to 1994 and find the headline clinton health care reform died today.
i was working in the democratic side of the senate then and as the bill was dying we kept scheduling negotiation meetings to try and keep it alive and in some cases to simply pretend to keep it alive. like old soldiers, legislation doesn't die. it just fades away. i think the democrats are very deliberately letting their health care bill fade away. the white house scheduled a meeting for the end of the month because they want to give the media a chance to focus on something else. there's no more talks of deadlines. harry reid and nancy pelosi were absolutely right to set those deadlines. harry reid pushing the right to vote on christmas eve. the urgency was that important. because urgency is actually critical to passing a bill in the senate and passing a bill in the house. and when the urgency goes away,
that just means time is up. get your cell phones out tonight. tonight's text survey is, do you agree with me, do you believe that the democrats are deliberately letting health care reform slip away? text a for yes and b for no to 622639. 622639. we'll bring you the results later in the show. joining me now is maryland congressman, elijah. tell me i'm wrong, tell me and explain to me why what i'm seeing that the democrats are walking away from health care, dropping urgency, letting it drift off into the future at undetermined dates. i see that is as the democrats walking away, quietly surrendering without saying, i surrender. tell me i'm wrong. convince me i'm wrong. >> i'm telling you, you're
wrong. and i have a lot of respect for you and i know your experience with regard to congress. but i've got to tell you, i think we are just at a critical moment where the president has decided that he's going to engage more than he already has. the republicans constantly complained that they have not had an opportunity to be a part and i watched him when he came here to baltimore in my district a week or two ago when he addressed the republican conference here in baltimore. and i think as he said before, one term or two terms, he could easily walk away and recent folds and they wanted to us work
out the situation and realize that they have insurance and requirement and a lot of companies and also realize something else this is a critical moment and he's not and say, look, we may disagree, but let's see how we can pull together. >> congressman, the republicans are already complaining about the meeting. they sent a letter to the president saying, they don't want him to get together in what they call a back room deal with you, members of the house and members of the senate and
combine those two bills, the house bill and the senate bill into one bill in this back room deal before the february 25th. the president, on the other hand, has put out a segment saying, that's exactly what he's going to do and he's going to have that bill online before the meeting takes place. do you think there's any chance at all that the house and the senate can agree on the taxation that is in this bill? for example, will you accept and vote for any form of the tax on union health care plans that exists in the senate bill. >> i personally would have a problem with that. we're talking about bipartisan thip and that means that i'm not going to get everything i want. as much as -- i'd love to have
single payer. i'd love to have a public option. but the fact still remains that i've got people in my district literally who cannot afford the co-pay on chemo as they try to address problems with cancer. so i've got to ask myself, you know, and we've got to ask ourselves in the congress, do we go for the whole loaf or do we go for no loaf or not one slice? see, that's -- and that's what it's going to boil down to. and i just don't believe -- i just don't believe that the members of congress will let this moment go by and, by the way, everybody agrees, democrats and republicans, that we cannot continue on a path that we are going on. so we've got to do something and i believe that we will. i really do. and i believe that this president is going to help us to accomplish that. >> well, everybody said all of those things in 1994. they all said we can't continue
on the track that we are going on. they were much more responsive than they were this time around and we still ended up with nothing. but if we were talking bipartisan, as the president intends to and as you just said we are, we are trying to move in a bipartisan way. does that mean that there can be no taxes in the way? there's not a single republican member of the house or senate who's going to vote for any of the taxes with a lot of these bills, the house bill or the -- i cannot name that there are people that when they go up, they go up. with anthem going up 30 to 39%.
and talking about what we can do and go back to the fact that we are a great nation and we can do better and we must take care of our own. i believe we'll get this done. but going back to your initial question, is this a slow drag to end our efforts to reform health care in america? absolutely not. this is an effort to reup the engines and to get it done. we're about on the five foot line. >> congressman, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. for more, let's bring in roy, founding editor of the washington post. roy, i respect the logic
completely. i believe he's one that will go in there and continue to fight. i don't believe the rest of the leadership is doing that. i don't believe that the democratic congress and senate is doing that. i think i saw this in 1994. i think they are in full bluff mode about their ability to fight and they are basically in retreat. how do you see this? >> yeah, i mean, i beg to differ with the congressman. i hate to go against him. but clearly this is about the theater of it. we saw the letter today from rahm emanuel and secretary sebelius. they said, we want you to bring your comprehensive plan and post it online beforehand. in two weeks they are going to do something that they haven't done in 14 months? i don't see how we're going to suddenly change something that we've done for 14 months.
it seems like we've been running this reel the -- it seems a little off. >> yeah. these two things can't be true. it can't be true that in 2009 we must legislate this tomorrow. we must get it done before the august recess. then when we fail that, we must get it done during the thanksgiving recess. we can't lose a single day. and then you get to 2010 -- well, you can do it at the end of the month. we don't know what to do. at the end of the month we can have a meeting a he see within that meeting republicans come up with great ideas about what to do next. i mean, these two strategies cannot both be true. they were either right in 2009 when they were trying to do this
in an urgent way or they are right now and there's absolutely no hurry as the election approaches in 2010. >> the question is, where is the urgency for reconciliation? is there ground work for that? where is the side car? the say that the president wants the house and senate to come together and before the bill on the 25th? there's not a single senator, not one senator in favor of the income tax increase that the house of representatives passed. and i have always said, all year, roy, as you know, it's the pay for side of this that is going to divide the house and the senate. the tax side of this is what
divides the house and the senate more than anything else. i don't see any evidence of the house and senate democrats being able to come together by february 25th on the tax side of this thing. >> that's the key. we know that the bottom line -- all of the republican strategy is, taxes are bad. ol olympia snow was in favor of them before opposed of them on the senate floor and i don't think there's any chance of getting her back on this. do you see any chance of pealing off olympia snow again and any other republican in the senate unless you're talking about something that has no taxation and if you're talking about no
taxation that means no subsidies and no expansion of coverage whatsoever. i don't know what you call the bill that is left after that. do you? >> dead. the thought of the tremendous popular movement that brought us hope and change comes down to convincing olympia snow. it just makes me shudder. coming up, four members of the bush administration have been doing their best to convince president obama that he's inviting another 911. how they still have their facts backwards. as she flies around the country, more and more people are figuring out sarah palin and her popularity is plummetinging. all of that plus the senate democrats are struggling to find an agreement among themselves in the jobs bill but can they get enough members of the party of no to say yes to jobs?
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next attack. i got a chance to ask him on morning joe this morning. let's take a listen. >> you actually publish a book that says that the president of the united states, on its title, the president is inviting the next attack. isn't it true that the president that you were working for invited 9/11? >> you can see that interview in its entirety on msnbc and on the huffington post. let me bring in roger cressy, a former member of the united
nations national security council. he's anned a junt professor at georgetown university. i'm outraged that someone would take the oath of office and come out and title a book about the sitting president of the united states saying that that president is inviting a terrorist attack on the united states. how does that make you feel as someone who used to work there? >> you know, lawrence, we can disagree with the administration, with the president, but to put that type of language out there, it's classless. you have to respect the office of the presidency even if you disagree with the politics of the president.
and what you you saw in that exchange with him is someone clearly trying to sell books and trying to score cheap points. this is not the same presidency that was handed a memo prior to that attack saying that al qaeda, osama bin laden was going to try to do something like this. >> i new. and he was a speechwriter. he wasn't a policy guy. he wasn't in the policy development. he probably couldn't have
spelled bin laden. he has no credibility. we knew al qaeda was looking to attack the united states. so the issue is how do you ensure that the next terror launch is not any chance of getting launched. >> is there any form of consistent see, from political operativ operatives like this trying to argue that they got everything right and everyone who has come after them gets everything wrong? i mean, in the past, this is not the way things used to work.
>> well, there's a zero debate going on, if i'm right, you must be wrong. the bush administration did a lot of good things in terms of ruining his capability. with this type of classless but stupid. >> you know, people from the bush-cheney side of the world during that administration had, at different times, suggested that there were commentators out there by saying things that came in with the policies. these kinds of things, at minimum, gives amusement to the
enemy. doesn't it? isn't that what al qaeda over there watching this kind of controversy and finger pointing thinking, this is great. we've got them attacking each other. >> well, i mean, if you read what the al qaeda propaganda machine puts out, if you watch the videos, listen to the audiotape, they clearly pay attention to the debate in the united states. and there's certainly amusement and bemusement. there are elements of this plotting to attack the interest. what the christmas day bombing attempt was was a wake-up call for a lot of people who thought that the threat wasn't there and
people said, we've got other things to worry about now. now this is a priority. >> thank you for joining us and thank you. >> coming up, sarah palin is having trouble convincing america that she know what is she's talking about. even republicans are turning on her. we'll tell what you these numbers mean for 2012 next. always with free design service. now with extraordinary savings. ethan allen... always well worth it. looking for something extraordinary ? how about a new custom media cabinet from ethan allen ? with savings like these... it's never been easier. well made, well priced, well worth it. ethan allen... extraordinary savings. limited time.
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sarah palin made a big flash. at one point they were chanting run sarah run. the vast majority would say that she should not be the next commander in chief. a new poll found that 71% of americans do not think that palin is even qualified to be president only 45% think that palin is qualitied to be president compared to last number. for more, let's bring in our panel, republican strategist ron christie. it seems to be a tough time to be investing in palin stock, doesn't it? >> i think the governor right now is a political personality.
she's out, has a best seller book that is out there. she's touring the country, meeting with a lot of people. i think it's very premature. let's wait and see how the process run it is self out. >> take a look at the favorable, unfavorable poll rating. the favorable is 37%. unfavorable is 65% nationwide. with that unfavorable number you can't get elected to a nationwide office. that's just impossible, isn't it? >> it's pretty difficult. listen, i'll disagree with you on one thing. i think she is going to run. i think she's convinced herself that she's a celeb politician. but when you have the kind of numbers that she has, 70% of the american people don't think that you are qualitied to be
president, you can't win. and do significant damage to the republican primary. i think there's a chance that she's going to be the next "american idol" judge instead of running. i just think it's the kind of person politician, whatever you want to call her, that she is. >> she's already on the fox payroll. >> what i'm more concerned about right now, if you look at that newark ton post abc poll, the president f. you look in that poll and the real clear politics average, his popularity rating right now is averaging in the
mid-40s. >> ron, to that point real quick, the republican party in the same polls that you're talking b and the reason we're talking about sarah palin is because the republican party has a sarah palin problem. >> but, guys, we're going to have to cut it there. you both are going to come back. stay with us me. coming up, harry reid is coming up with a smaller focused jobs bill to pass the senate but will that be enough to pass the house of representatives? we'll talk about that in just a moment. host: could switching to geico really save you
together to answer president obama's jobs bill. they unveiled the bipartisan $85,000 bill. the bill targets unemployed workers and a payroll tax worker. to get the house perspective on this, let's bring in chair of the joint economic committee. congresswoman where, does the jobs bill stand in the house at this point? >> we've already passed a jobs bill but it targets money for teachers and and investing in
infrastructure and transit and thanks goodness it doesn't preclude that we could do more at a later point. it's important that we pass this targeted jobs bill. and roughly $700,000, this is movement in the right direction. >> do you believe we'll be able to come up with one bill? there seems to be a big gap between the house and senate. >> that's a good move in the right direction. we'll conference it and move forward in a joint way that helps create more jobs in the american economy.
and one of the best things that we can do. there are many proposals. i have my own out there. the senate has a majority a i agreeing, let's move forward and get more hired. we are moving in the right direction. the last job's report and families and those things and we need to turn that around and start adding jobs. this is movement in the right direction. >> and the new chant coming out for 2010 since the scott brown election is bipartisan.
i've always said that the best is bipartisan. it's good that they have bipartisan support and working for strong bipartisan support in the house. >> do you need the president's guidance at this stage of the legislative process since there is such a difference between the house and senate? >> the president's leadership is always welcomed and he has a very strong voice that americans and certainly members of congress will be listening to. >> thank you, congresswoman carolyn maloney. chris, it seems to me that harry reid had an embarrassing 24 hours. coming out and announcing that he has this package and goes into a package with the democratic member and they say, sorry, that one is too big.
it's a plr turn of events. i think the brown race and the massachusetts race has clearly shaken and are rekindled the notion that bipartisan is the most important thing in politics. of course they are going to say yes. what voters mostly want is action. if they see you doing things in order to address the problems, they favor that.
you water it down and it's a balancing act. i think we have to go out there and make our strong arguments to the american people about what our course is to solve the problems. with the exception of chuck schumer, design of a payroll tax holiday for businesses employing unemployed workers. is that enough to attract republicans despite the republican rhetoric that we hear over time that governments can not create jobs? would they still be willing to work for this and call it a. >> joy:s bill even though they don't believe that the
government can create jobs by doing this kind of thing? >> i think that they will, lawrence. i think put forth by senator hatch does do a lot to stimulate the economy. it will do a lot to incentivize employers to hire people. the provision, of course s. that there's been an unemployed worker out of work for a certain amount of time. the thing i look at, lawrence s. how could the senate majority leader embarrass the president the way that he did? president obama indicated his support for the grassley and a and notwithstanding the bill that the president supports, i'm going to abandon it. that was a brass political move in the finance committee for that proposal and moving away from a bipartisanship solution lays at the feet of senator harry reid.
>> what was lost in cutting that bill down from job creation and that's what republicans will cry about, just a whole vigor package of. >> the overall issue is how account senate majority leader, after the president of the united states has hailed a bipartisan solution -- and, remember, this is only the draft released yet. erveg could have walked away with a quick vote in the senate. >> the majority leader counts votes. harry reid went into a meeting with the democratic senators. he kointed the votes and are realized i can't pass this thing. that's it. it's not that he's going come up with his own idea. he came out of that meeting with his members saying, we don't want to vote for all of these
extra pieces now. >> you can't force these folks to do something that they are not going to do. >> like the health care debate? >> and they didn't. they stalled. they can't do it. chris, what is harry reid supposed to do if he doesn't have the votes? you're going your room and sit down with the caucus. you don't have any choice except for going after something that can get the votes. >> that's exactly right. i'm not sure if ron wants them to be the dictator where he's going to oppose this but it doesn't work that way. it's the brutal reality. it's the reality of the legislative process. i mean, listen, i think, you know, the majority leader has a
very difficult job, obviously, and that is because you have very did i ver jent in our caucus, let alone dealing with the kaukds and their ideological percent situation. nonetheless. composing or putting together a piece of legislation that is able to win a wide swath of support is difficult. the part that is frustrating, at least from my spers spers tif, if the goal is to get unanimous support for the republican party, it's just not going to happen. >> all right. we are going to have to leave it there. >> tonight, vancouver, canada, is the party center of the world because of the opening ceremonies of the winter olympics. the only man i know who can party like a canadian is willy geist. he's next. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 (announcer) we believe in giving every investor
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they are beyond excited that the day has come to the opening ceremony. a shadow has been cast over these games by the death of 21-year-old george began luger. he was coming around the final turn of a training run on what a lot of people call the fastest luge track in the world. he lost control of the sled, went up the embankment and went back first into a steel pole that did not have a pad on it. emergency responders came and treated him literally within seconds but the injuries were too grave. he was declared dead later at the hospital.
the flag bearer on the united states luge team says we're starting to push it with this track. it might be a little too fast. one australian luger says this treats us like crash course dummies. people have been concerned about this very fast track for a long time and now obviously a shadow has been cast over the opening ceremonies which starts on nbc within the hour. the speculation is the mystery still remains who will light the cal department ron. the name that has been floated out there is wayne gretzky.
he's a hero. and just down the street, lawrence. >> how many people actually know at this moment, actually know who is going to light this thing and why haven't you found out? you've got nothing else to do all day. come on. meet us at d.c. tonight and let you know right before it goes on. they are doing a great job of kinding this a mystery. it's not wayne who is the guy a lot of people thought it would be. >> thanks for joining us. >> thanks, lawrence. >> you can watch the olympics opening ceremonies tonight on nbc. check your local listings.
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